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Which is the best scope for shooting pigeons around 25 meters ? Need a new one and some say cheap scopes are fine for this ?


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I use a Hawke Vantage 4-12X 40AO, for Pigeons from 10 to 50 meterse Is Great.

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Hawke 6X24-50 on my HW100 KT
Nikko stirling 4,5X14 -50 on my HW97 blackline

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To be honest, at this sort of range anything over x4 is overkill. (don't get me wrong here, I'm perfectly at ease with a 10-40 - but like everyone it really comes down to "boy's toys" :lol: ).

For this sort of close work I have a 1.5-5x20 Simmons WTC11 on the quarterbore, it's usually on about x3 and only on x5 if I want a 30m shot (conveniently puts 30m on the bottom post (VERY loopy), not because I need the magnification).

You can pick up a new 4x32 (a 4x40 offers NO advantage whatsoever) for around £20 which in all honesty will be perfectly adequate for your needs - save up your money for a better one for longer range work.

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Air Arms TX200 mk3 .22 Zenit-BelOMO 3-9x40 ffp / Vector Optics 10-40x56 sf tt ffp
Weihrauch HW35E 1979 .177/.22 (both barrels) Open sights / Optima 4x32 wa tt / Tasco 628T 3-9x40 tt
Weihrauch HW80 mk 1 .243 (Harper) Simmons WTC11 1.5-5x20 wa
Weihrauch HW80 mk 1 .22 Kassnar 3-9x56 wa ao tt
Weihrauch HW80 mk 2 .177 Kassnar 3-9x40 wa ao tt / ATN MK390
Weihrauch HW77 mk 1 .22 Factory Tyrolean Open sights / Weihrauch Mikro-Präzisions Diopter / Optima 3-9x40 wa tt / Tasco World Class 6-18x40 ao tt
Weihrauch HW77k mk2 .22 Optima 3-9x40 wa tt / Tasco TR 6-24x40 ao tt
Webley Omega Carbine .22 Tasco AG 2-7x32 wa oa tt
Webley Stingray Express LE .22 Simmons WTC13 3.5-10x40 wa
Webley Longbow (Turkish) .22 Simmons WTC13 3.5-10x40 wa
BSA Mercury mk3 .22 Tasco AG 1.75-5x40 wa oa
BSA Meteor mk1 .22 Tasco 663 A 4x32
BSA Meteor mk5 .22 Tasco 629 AG 3-9x32
Webley Tempest (Brum) .177/.22 (both barrels) Original Mod'5 1.5x15 / open sights


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Interesting that will do me thanks


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You can do a lot worse than get one of these - http://www.jsramsbottom.com/products/ri ... mount.html - (but it will cost £5.49 postage).

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Air Arms TX200 mk3 .22 Zenit-BelOMO 3-9x40 ffp / Vector Optics 10-40x56 sf tt ffp
Weihrauch HW35E 1979 .177/.22 (both barrels) Open sights / Optima 4x32 wa tt / Tasco 628T 3-9x40 tt
Weihrauch HW80 mk 1 .243 (Harper) Simmons WTC11 1.5-5x20 wa
Weihrauch HW80 mk 1 .22 Kassnar 3-9x56 wa ao tt
Weihrauch HW80 mk 2 .177 Kassnar 3-9x40 wa ao tt / ATN MK390
Weihrauch HW77 mk 1 .22 Factory Tyrolean Open sights / Weihrauch Mikro-Präzisions Diopter / Optima 3-9x40 wa tt / Tasco World Class 6-18x40 ao tt
Weihrauch HW77k mk2 .22 Optima 3-9x40 wa tt / Tasco TR 6-24x40 ao tt
Webley Omega Carbine .22 Tasco AG 2-7x32 wa oa tt
Webley Stingray Express LE .22 Simmons WTC13 3.5-10x40 wa
Webley Longbow (Turkish) .22 Simmons WTC13 3.5-10x40 wa
BSA Mercury mk3 .22 Tasco AG 1.75-5x40 wa oa
BSA Meteor mk1 .22 Tasco 663 A 4x32
BSA Meteor mk5 .22 Tasco 629 AG 3-9x32
Webley Tempest (Brum) .177/.22 (both barrels) Original Mod'5 1.5x15 / open sights


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G'day,

Who manufactures Sabre scopes? I haven't seen them out here in Australia.

There is a brand of cheap air rifle scopes called Arctic Fox being sold locally which I suspect is a re-branded series coming out of China or a similar place - no indication is given as to where they are made. Is Sabre a similar product, i.e. a generic model, re-branded for different countries?

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NTSOG wrote:
G'day,

Who manufactures Sabre scopes? I haven't seen them out here in Australia.



Best I can find out is they are made "in association with" Nikko Stirling, but like all cheap scopes (and some not so cheap ones) they will all come out of the same Chinese factories, only the branding will be different.

To be honest this is pretty much how it's always been but in the past (80s/90s) it would have been a Japanese manufacturer (e.g.Hakko).

Although you can obviously tell that I am a big fan of older glass, I will be the first to admit that technology has overtaken the "old school" to some extent and modern cheap stuff is often on a par (and better in some cases) with the expensive older stuff - they just don't "feel" so durable.

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Air Arms TX200 mk3 .22 Zenit-BelOMO 3-9x40 ffp / Vector Optics 10-40x56 sf tt ffp
Weihrauch HW35E 1979 .177/.22 (both barrels) Open sights / Optima 4x32 wa tt / Tasco 628T 3-9x40 tt
Weihrauch HW80 mk 1 .243 (Harper) Simmons WTC11 1.5-5x20 wa
Weihrauch HW80 mk 1 .22 Kassnar 3-9x56 wa ao tt
Weihrauch HW80 mk 2 .177 Kassnar 3-9x40 wa ao tt / ATN MK390
Weihrauch HW77 mk 1 .22 Factory Tyrolean Open sights / Weihrauch Mikro-Präzisions Diopter / Optima 3-9x40 wa tt / Tasco World Class 6-18x40 ao tt
Weihrauch HW77k mk2 .22 Optima 3-9x40 wa tt / Tasco TR 6-24x40 ao tt
Webley Omega Carbine .22 Tasco AG 2-7x32 wa oa tt
Webley Stingray Express LE .22 Simmons WTC13 3.5-10x40 wa
Webley Longbow (Turkish) .22 Simmons WTC13 3.5-10x40 wa
BSA Mercury mk3 .22 Tasco AG 1.75-5x40 wa oa
BSA Meteor mk1 .22 Tasco 663 A 4x32
BSA Meteor mk5 .22 Tasco 629 AG 3-9x32
Webley Tempest (Brum) .177/.22 (both barrels) Original Mod'5 1.5x15 / open sights


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Thank you for confirming my suspicion. The various cheap scopes by Barska, Nikko Stirling, Arctic Fox, etc. do seem to do the job quite well - certainly as well as my shooting skills allow at present. The other thing is that they are not [yet] breaking under the effect of my FAC springers, whereas two Bushnells and two Hawkes did.

If these cheap scopes break, then the loss is not as much and they still have a warranty that will, hopefully, be honoured.

With regard to older kit I found a 1980s Nikko Stirling Gold Crown [4x40] at a gun show a few weeks ago and was very impressed with the quality of the 'glass' and the construction in general together with the gloss black finish which I don't mind. Now I just need another rifle on which to mount it.

Jim


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NTSOG wrote:

With regard to older kit I found a 1980s Nikko Stirling Gold Crown [4x40] at a gun show a few weeks ago and was very impressed with the quality of the 'glass' and the construction in general together with the gloss black finish which I don't mind. Now I just need another rifle on which to mount it.

Jim


Of course you do realise that this is a very slippery slope. :mrgreen:

Just a few of them, the Nikko fixed x4s:
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Air Arms TX200 mk3 .22 Zenit-BelOMO 3-9x40 ffp / Vector Optics 10-40x56 sf tt ffp
Weihrauch HW35E 1979 .177/.22 (both barrels) Open sights / Optima 4x32 wa tt / Tasco 628T 3-9x40 tt
Weihrauch HW80 mk 1 .243 (Harper) Simmons WTC11 1.5-5x20 wa
Weihrauch HW80 mk 1 .22 Kassnar 3-9x56 wa ao tt
Weihrauch HW80 mk 2 .177 Kassnar 3-9x40 wa ao tt / ATN MK390
Weihrauch HW77 mk 1 .22 Factory Tyrolean Open sights / Weihrauch Mikro-Präzisions Diopter / Optima 3-9x40 wa tt / Tasco World Class 6-18x40 ao tt
Weihrauch HW77k mk2 .22 Optima 3-9x40 wa tt / Tasco TR 6-24x40 ao tt
Webley Omega Carbine .22 Tasco AG 2-7x32 wa oa tt
Webley Stingray Express LE .22 Simmons WTC13 3.5-10x40 wa
Webley Longbow (Turkish) .22 Simmons WTC13 3.5-10x40 wa
BSA Mercury mk3 .22 Tasco AG 1.75-5x40 wa oa
BSA Meteor mk1 .22 Tasco 663 A 4x32
BSA Meteor mk5 .22 Tasco 629 AG 3-9x32
Webley Tempest (Brum) .177/.22 (both barrels) Original Mod'5 1.5x15 / open sights


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I shoot the pigeons at work and the scope I use is a nikko sterling 4x32 with a cobbled together hw77k. It is more than adequate for the ranges you need. Just remember the bigger the zoom the more light you need in the building.

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sterling arms hr81 22


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has2baspringer wrote: "Of course you do realise that this is a very slippery slope."

I am fast realising the dangers of Air Rifle Acquisition Syndrome [ARAS]. Having just bought an Anschuetz 380 T to pair with my Anschuetz 380 RT I have just noticed an HW 98 [Beeman R 11] for sale as well as an English Webley Scott Patriot in .22! I need neither rifle, but I want both. I think I can get one more rifle in my gun cabinets - just!

My NS gold crown is similar to yours pictured. I think they are classy and the glass clear which is important to my elderly eyes.

Jim


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