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Read the sad story today of a teenager in Suffolk who died after an accident involving an air rifle.

This is surely not good news for the future of unlicensed ownership!!

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Here

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"It just shows the danger of air rifles. People would be best of getting rid of them."


I heard of someone being killed with a kitchen knife recently. I would be best of getting rid of them. Who knows what can happen to me if i keep my kitchen knives...

And don't forget the McDonalds food. And i don't mean death by fat.

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Nobody has yet pointed out that the three thirteen year old lads should not have had unsupervised access to that weapon. We do not need a change of law to make this illegal.


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Tragic as it is, there are laws in place to deal with this without any need for law changes.

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jmclbrown wrote:
Nobody has yet pointed out that the three thirteen year old lads should not have had unsupervised access to that weapon. We do not need a change of law to make this illegal.


That was my thoughts, 13yr olds, unsupervised, someone is going to have a lot of explaining to do here I think.

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I think the nail's been hit on the head here.

The law covers this eventuality and the lads concerned should be charged and stand trial. I assume that they're traumatised, distraught, both sorry that it happened and all that but the fact is (or seems to be from what I've read) that they broke the law, as did the airgun owner. Firearms laws are in place to stop this sort of thing happening, and unless these laws are enforced, we may get a knee-jerk reaction from politicians and end up with compulsory airgun licensing or worse.

Although I personally have no problem with having an "airgun licence" I can understand those who are against it. I am more worried that there may be a suggestion to lower the legal 12 ft/lb limit, especially from this government which seems to jump on every populist bandwagon which passes by. So although it may seem counter-intuitive, I think the airgun lobby should be pressing for the law to be applied in this case and for prosecutions to be made.

Just my opinion, don't want to start an arguement.


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1000 a year die of smoking and drinking related disease , motorbikes kill more people than guns ,cars kill more people than guns , more people get killed in light aircraft than guns , are you getting what i am saying ?


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I am...
You forgot people who commit suicide because they are strangled by taxes they can't pay to keep their businesses going. These deaths are directly related to politics.

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Fotografics wrote:
I think the nail's been hit on the head here.

The law covers this eventuality and the lads concerned should be charged and stand trial. I assume that they're traumatised, distraught, both sorry that it happened and all that but the fact is (or seems to be from what I've read) that they broke the law, as did the airgun owner. Firearms laws are in place to stop this sort of thing happening, and unless these laws are enforced, we may get a knee-jerk reaction from politicians and end up with compulsory airgun licensing or worse.

Although I personally have no problem with having an "airgun licence" I can understand those who are against it. I am more worried that there may be a suggestion to lower the legal 12 ft/lb limit, especially from this government which seems to jump on every populist bandwagon which passes by. So although it may seem counter-intuitive, I think the airgun lobby should be pressing for the law to be applied in this case and for prosecutions to be made.

Just my opinion, don't want to start an arguement.



I'm with Fotographics on this one - I don't know the full details, perhaps never will, but on the face of it - this was not an ACCIDENTAL death, it was UNLAWFUL killing and should be treated as such.

My opinion, I know some will disagree.

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has2baspringer wrote:
this was not an ACCIDENTAL death, it was UNLAWFUL killing and should be treated as such.

A few years ago a young neighbor of mine killed himself when showing his father's 9mm pistol to a friend. Shot himself in the head.
Who really thinks banning whatever stops deaths from happening?

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AndreHw wrote:
A few years ago a young neighbor of mine killed himself when showing his father's 9mm pistol to a friend. Shot himself in the head.
Who really thinks banning whatever stops deaths from happening?


That's pretty much my point but in a round about way. These lads were probably behaving exactly as I did at their age (many years ago), but I was unaware of the dangers and it wasn't illegal.

Regulations are there for everyone's protection, not as a means of punishing the law abiding.

Learning the hard way was the way I learned - it's just a shame people still have to do it.

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Has any more news of the lads (families)come out in that tragic happening last May.? Just asking as,all will be aware,Law changes,have been made,but..i guess south of the border,dont change laws to gain votes.in these incidents,Gross negligence on storage,i think,is the cause,accompanied by,the fact that 13/14 year olds,should have been made well aware of ,Respect for Consequences,for Ignoring the obvious.The lads in the shed.?17 ?,playing in a shed at 17 ??thats "not right",the lad ,who was showing his pal the 9mm.?? What?? Both of these "accidents"were simple to avoid, and ,if anyone needs to be charged, that would of course be ,the Responsible,law abiding,Parent,with or without the foresight to see what ultimate sacrifice,they have to deal with.In the knowledge ,they shoulda known,did in fact ,and Will i imagine be prosecuted.the boys,,air rifle,What was it, apart from,not locked away (Adult??)owners, you know better .first rule you learn, Never.point a lead throwing tool at any person.assuming its not loaded.mmmm,Should be checked ,before you point it Anywhere.and ,having had a pellet or 2 pass or not. my person,Fortunately,Theres the Kangaroo court,for such ,accidents .That involve the removal,of way more than liberty,for 14 year olds. Who,regretfully,Will i think,take time to get through whats happened, but, Those Adults...leaving 9mm pistols,or What airgun??,to be picked up ,surely with ammo ,not unloaded,??jeezuz boys and girls.sorry,Law abiding Adult owners!#!?!# Missing the brain parts required,?yup. Whos feeling guilt , keyholder why the ammo availability. ?? Its the 9mm that gets first prize,Its undoubtably surely,been destroyed,so,at least its safely out of harms way,frpm misuse by a criminal in another ilegal use of by some other criminal. Tragedy can be avoided,as sure as water drowns hundreds every year.Fishing.kills more hobbyists than the rest of normal sports combined. Thats the end of my sympathetic,enquiry,,and rambling into the world of the Careless & Lawless ,No insults were made,i just,have a way of getting to the point,then,passing it,with nobody actually getting it. If youve had time to mull it over,and ,anything to add for clarity.Do feel, comment,and contradict ,what you will.Was the 9mm legal? The lad shot in the neck,to be fatal.is a horrible ness, complicated by something else, perhaps,? Sad for the parents, RIP lad. PARENTS. YOU KNOW THE RULES. If not your laws.


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[quote="villaman"]1000 a year die of smoking and drinking related disease , motorbikes kill more people than guns ,cars kill more people than guns , more people get killed in light aircraft than guns , are you getting what i am saying ?
ScubaDiving,kills,less as a sport fraught with worst case scenarios,bar none, Usual,not educated to levels requred,etc.the expected end result.if your lucky..?you live to dive another day. Lesson learnt. Complacency,and misuse of the rules,To blame,Not,usual is it equpment failure,Human error,strikes again.Kangaroo Court,not Political.Alas not in Scotland.Get ya villaman.& Fishings the Big killer.


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The only thing I have seen recently as in the last few days is that the Parents want to build a skate park in memory of their son as he was really into skate boarding. There was no memtion of anything about what had transpired since the death of their son.

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At age of 5 my uncle first took me shooting ,and it was safety first never be in front of a loaded gun.
or point in at what you are not intending to shoot.
good advice I have lived with for 55 years .


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